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Fantus · May 19, 2006, 07:39 AM // 07:39

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Originally Posted by Juicey Shake

time equals practice, yes, practice does not equal skill.

sure, people can learn how to gvg, but it is a matter of skill, learning it, developing it, etc.

Yes, which exactly means that you need to invest TIME to learn it, and by investing time you will automatically become good at it. You're proving my own point. Sorry to have to take the impression from you that GvG skills are god-given.

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Originally Posted by Juicey Shake

all of the other titles can be farmed mindlessly. hell, you can get the 'protector' titles by hitting c and space, same with the hero titles, I'd know :P.

Hitting keys on a keyboard is what will make you win GvGs, too. The point is knowing when to hit which key. GvG takes skill, HA takes skill (but different ones), PvE takes skill, too (yet again different ones).

Hero title can be "farmed"? Yes, sure it can. If you're SKILLED. The higher levels of this title are only attainable if you're able to win HoH and HOLD it for several games at a time. Yea, I know.. no skill involved at all. Every GW player wins HoH at least 10 times a day... right...

Well, the GvG title can be "farmed", too, can't it? All you need to do is play the game long enough to develop the necessary skills and become good at what you do, just as with HA or PvE.

Honestly, this "we're better than you" attitude that the majority of you guys seem to have is what makes me avoid GvG like the plague.

(but this is going a bit off topic, so I will stop here now)

General Typhus · May 19, 2006, 07:43 AM // 07:43

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Originally Posted by Mr_T_bot

"I'M RANK 8 YOU STOOPED N00B, YOU DONT KNOW ---- NOOB, I BET YOU ARNT EVEN RANKED"

Sounds just like Pompous Big Stick.

Rathcail · May 19, 2006, 07:54 AM // 07:54

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Originally Posted by Fantus

Hero title can be "farmed"? Yes, sure it can. If you're SKILLED. The higher levels of this title are only attainable if you're able to win HoH and HOLD it for several games at a time. Yea, I know.. no skill involved at all. Every GW player wins HoH at least 10 times a day... right...

I'm not too familiar with this so I'm curious, at what point do you stop gaining fame at the lower levels of HA?

burai · May 19, 2006, 08:20 AM // 08:20

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Originally Posted by Fantus

While I certainly agree that the GvG title is a highly respectable one, I don't get it why GvGers always seem to have to belittle others. You guys really consider yourselves to be 1337, don't you? Other titles are respectable in their own fields as well (such as Hero or the Protector titles, among others) and hinting that GvG is the only thing in GW requiring skill is - sorry - flamebait.

And I am totally sorry to say that skill is a function of time, too. Time equals practice and practice equals skill. Everyone can learn how to GvG just as everyone can learn how to walk.

Quoted for truth

I will repect all titles, as they all display some considerable time and effort in attaining them - even the drunken one.

KitsunE81 · May 19, 2006, 08:33 AM // 08:33

Definately Champion, you have to win 50 GvG's with the top 20 Guilds.

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Originally Posted by Rathcail

I'm not too familiar with this so I'm curious, at what point do you stop gaining fame at the lower levels of HA?

He means that the higher title ranks require so much fame, that you can't really get it by getting 1 fame and die, and going in again, it would take way too long.

Kook~NBK~ · May 19, 2006, 09:04 AM // 09:04

It's only natural that PvP types will have more respect for the PvP based titles, and that the PvE types will have more respect for the PvE type titles.

This garbage about "My kind of titles are better than your kind of titles" is ridiculous. It takes time to get any of the titles out there, what having skill does is shortens the amount of time it takes - for ANY title. You want the Drunkard title? you've got to make some serious platinum to get it. And you'll make more of that much faster running around in places like FoW, UW, and SF than you will in Old Ascalon.

The other thing that's not mentioned here is who you've got to work with. How fast one earns the RA based title (can't think what it's called) is based more on luck than skill. You can be an awesome player, but that's not going to do you much good if you keep getting into bad teams. Same with the Protector title, if you're good it may take you a bit longer to get it done playing with PUGs just because sometimes you end up in a bad group, or you take henchies and they start acting screwy on you.

For those of you who think getting the Cartographer title doesn't take skill, think on this: For each area that you have to uncover, you're facing a different situation as far as enemies goes, so you have to know which skill set to carry to deal with in each area you visit - Magho Hydras & flesh golems on Perditon Rock, Stone Summit hordes in Ice Dome, Avicaras & Ice Imps in Talus Chute, etc, AND you have to know how to use each set of skills!

Me? I'm working on PvE based titles for now, later on I may start screwing around in PvP areas - who knows. And whatever title I chose to display (or not display) will fit the format I'm playing in. (Who in TAs or RAs cares if you're a "Grandmaster Cartographer", or if you're a "_______ Hero" in Abaddon's Mouth?)

JR · May 19, 2006, 09:18 AM // 09:18

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Originally Posted by Fantus

Yes, which exactly means that you need to invest TIME to learn it, and by investing time you will automatically become good at it. You're proving my own point. Sorry to have to take the impression from you that GvG skills are god-given.

Hitting keys on a keyboard is what will make you win GvGs, too. The point is knowing when to hit which key. GvG takes skill, HA takes skill (but different ones), PvE takes skill, too (yet again different ones).

Hero title can be "farmed"? Yes, sure it can. If you're SKILLED. The higher levels of this title are only attainable if you're able to win HoH and HOLD it for several games at a time. Yea, I know.. no skill involved at all. Every GW player wins HoH at least 10 times a day... right...

Well, the GvG title can be "farmed", too, can't it? All you need to do is play the game long enough to develop the necessary skills and become good at what you do, just as with HA or PvE.

Honestly, this "we're better than you" attitude that the majority of you guys seem to have is what makes me avoid GvG like the plague.

(but this is going a bit off topic, so I will stop here now)

Look at how many people have rank 9. Look at how many people are in a guild with over 1500 rating. Which do you now think is more prestigious?

To actually hold your position in a top 16~ guild has nothing to do with time. Yes you need to put time into Guild Battles; but you also need to develop builds, new strategies... etc. GvG has very little to do with time, and a lot to do with personal aptitude and talent. If you play a lot and don't play well every time, you are going to slip down the ladder, away from the title. If you play a lot in HA, regardless of how well, you are always getting closer.

And don't even get me started on the level of competition in HA compared to GvG.

Savio · May 19, 2006, 09:24 AM // 09:24

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

How fast one earns the RA based title (can't think what it's called) is based more on luck than skill.

It's for RA and TA, so you do have some control over teammate quality.

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For each area that you have to uncover, you're facing a different situation as far as enemies goes, so you have to know which skill set to carry to deal with in each area you visit

No you don't, you either run past everything or kill everything. Typically you're bringing henchies along. It doesn't take much skill at all, just a general knowledge of how to get around the area and how to control henchies.

I really feel this whole topic is silly, since people keep insisting that most titles take skill; they don't. You can grind or buy most of them. Champion is the only one where you can do neither to earn it.

Ado · May 19, 2006, 09:44 AM // 09:44

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Originally Posted by Savio

people keep insisting that most titles take skill; they don't. You can grind or buy most of them. Champion is the only one where you can do neither to earn it.

QFT.

But regarding pvp-titles, both champion and rank, noone (except your guildies and friends) knows with which builds you've accomplished it. You can be rank 9 or champion and be great at playing warrior for instance, but the title won't show your abbility of all the professions you're capable of playing.

Fantus · May 19, 2006, 10:00 AM // 10:00

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Originally Posted by Savio

I really feel this whole topic is silly, since people keep insisting that most titles take skill; they don't. You can grind or buy most of them. Champion is the only one where you can do neither to earn it.

"grind" is being defined as doing certain things over and over again (or just over a very extended period of time) to reach certain goals.

With that definition, every single one of the titles, including Champion, can be viewed as being "grindable". Yeah, I know, GvGers around the globe are now yelling "blasphemy", but as a matter of fact they became good at what they do by playing on the same 10 maps for 5-10 hours a day. Isn't that "grind", too?

The sad truth for the 1337 society of top GvGers must be that really everyone could become just as good as they are by investing enough time practicing it a.k.a. grinding (sure, talent makes it easier, but you can replace even a total absence of talent by practicing harder). ALL titles are a function of time, period. Some are directly gained by investing time, some are gained by investing time to gain certain skills first.

I even will AGREE that Champion might be the most prestigious title there is (since it's indeed incredibly hard to get), but belittling all the others, saying that no other title other then Champion requires any skill at all to get, is so unbelievably arrogant that I lack proper words to describe it (at least some which would not enable you guys to ban me..

).

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Originally Posted by JR

The GvG title, because it is the only one that actually means anything and has to be aqquired with skill, not time.

Emphasis mine.. 'nuff said.

In the meantime I will still continue to smile at the pityful performance I once witnessed when I partied in a Factions PvE mission together with some members of a very decently ranked GvG guild. A clearer proof that all, GvG, HA, TA, RA, PvE require a unique set of skills couldn't be given...

eightyfour-onesevenfive · May 19, 2006, 12:37 PM // 12:37

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Originally Posted by Savio

I really feel this whole topic is silly, since people keep insisting that most titles take skill; they don't. You can grind or buy most of them. Champion is the only one where you can do neither to earn it.

OK then, how do you actually define "skill"?

If I tell my father, who has never played a computer game in his life and therefor most certainly has "no skill", to go and get the Drunkard title (which is so ridiculously easy, all you have to do is farm for money), he will fail utterly. He won't even make it out of Pre-searing. That is what "no skill" means.

But I agree. This topic is somewhat silly. Without a common definition on what "skill" is, it's pointless to discuss about what takes skill and what doesn't. Problem is, people will never agree on a common definition of "skill".

tomcruisejr · May 19, 2006, 01:22 PM // 13:22

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Originally Posted by Fantus

"grind" is being defined as doing certain things over and over again (or just over a very extended period of time) to reach certain goals.

With that definition, every single one of the titles, including Champion, can be viewed as being "grindable". Yeah, I know, GvGers around the globe are now yelling "blasphemy", but as a matter of fact they became good at what they do by playing on the same 10 maps for 5-10 hours a day. Isn't that "grind", too?

The sad truth for the 1337 society of top GvGers must be that really everyone could become just as good as they are by investing enough time practicing it a.k.a. grinding (sure, talent makes it easier, but you can replace even a total absence of talent by practicing harder). ALL titles are a function of time, period. Some are directly gained by investing time, some are gained by investing time to gain certain skills first.

I even will AGREE that Champion might be the most prestigious title there is (since it's indeed incredibly hard to get), but belittling all the others, saying that no other title other then Champion requires any skill at all to get, is so unbelievably arrogant that I lack proper words to describe it (at least some which would not enable you guys to ban me..

).

Emphasis mine.. 'nuff said.

In the meantime I will still continue to smile at the pityful performance I once witnessed when I partied in a Factions PvE mission together with some members of a very decently ranked GvG guild. A clearer proof that all, GvG, HA, TA, RA, PvE require a unique set of skills couldn't be given...

you cannot really "grind" Champion coz in gvg, not all the top teams are gvging everyday.You're either doomed if you face them unprepared or lucky if you get huge ratings from beating them. remember, you have to beat creme de la creme guilds to get points for this title

in HA, you can grind Hero provided that you have the right team with the experience using a known build and beating crappy teams in there. HA is always filled with crappy teams. and in getting this title, you just have to beat virtually all teams (good, bad, forget it), to earn any Hero title.

of course, one person must have the experience/skill to win. but comparing champion and hero, if you think that you can beat good teams in gvg coz you do well in tombs, think again.

Ggraphix · May 19, 2006, 01:52 PM // 13:52

i have over 50 elites and no title yet, so i would respect a skill hunter award

Juicey Shake · May 19, 2006, 01:54 PM // 13:54

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Originally Posted by Fantus

Yes, which exactly means that you need to invest TIME to learn it, and by investing time you will automatically become good at it. You're proving my own point. Sorry to have to take the impression from you that GvG skills are god-given.

it was late, hehe, thought you were saying you needed to be 'skilled' to get titles like protector of tyria or drunkard or some shtuff, my mistake ^^.

Kook~NBK~ · May 19, 2006, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by Savio

It's for RA and TA, so you do have some control over teammate quality.

Forgot about TA, however there's still the element of luck when building a team - to a much lesser degree, especially when grouping with unknowns.

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No you don't, you either run past everything or kill everything. Typically you're bringing henchies along. It doesn't take much skill at all, just a general knowledge of how to get around the area and how to control henchies.

I really feel this whole topic is silly, since people keep insisting that most titles take skill; they don't. You can grind or buy most of them. Champion is the only one where you can do neither to earn it.

You missed my point; the more skilled you are, the less time it will take to get those titles.

crimsonfilms · May 19, 2006, 03:42 PM // 15:42

GvG title is NOT grindable. Grindable per se basically means you keep doing the same thing with little or no penalty for individual mistakes. You die in HA, just go again. You will eventually meet someone that you can beat. If you lose it does not affect your title.

For Champion the requirement is BOTH teams must have 1500 rating or better. If your team tries to grind to the top, and you dont have the skill level you will eventually fall of the 1500 rating - thus no title for you.

Yes you can grind to Champion IF you are of top 12 guild caliber player.

Most the titles here DOES not require skill or of minimal level. It is a grind fest. There are no penalities, unlike the mechanics of GvG rank/rating, for failure.
You can get cartography, missions, unlocks, etc to a decent level with a PUG through normal gameplay. Not to mention the mechanics in which you need to interface is static. PvP is dynamic. Yes there are FoTM, but nonetheless dynamic. With GvG it is more complex and of higher level.

Totalkaos · May 19, 2006, 08:48 PM // 20:48

I'm working on Friends of the Luxon's tile right now.Not that i'm a faction farmer or anything but i want the guild i'm in to standout above others in the aliance we belong too.

Revivalizt · May 20, 2006, 12:11 PM // 12:11

actuall i've capped 177 .. i need 3 more
Shatter Storm , Earth Shaker + Assasin Promise ..

personally .. Earth Shaker is very hard to cap .. cuz i can never find the boss.
and Shatter Storm .. the map from xenon is wrong i think .. cuz i cant find boss.
anybody know where to cap Assasin Promise now after the update?

zakaria · May 23, 2006, 07:36 AM // 07:36

Most respected title is Gladiator ,Fierce Gladiator, Mighty Gladiator, Deadly Gladiator...and so on.

it shows how much skill and effort you did to get this title since you are not getting any points if you lost before you get 10 consecutive wins, it's not like hero title based on fame even if you lost at any stage you are getting fame.

Spazzer · May 23, 2006, 07:56 AM // 07:56

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Originally Posted by zakaria

Most respected title is Gladiator ,Fierce Gladiator, Mighty Gladiator, Deadly Gladiator...and so on.

it shows how much skill and effort you did to get this title since you are not getting any points if you lost before you get 10 consecutive wins, it's not like hero title based on fame even if you lost at any stage you are getting fame.

But, as mentioned, this title can be "earned" via PvE.